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[India_Vision_2020] Scant respect by Private Banks on Edu loan Scheme - An open letter to Dy. Governor of RBI

2012-01-05T22:32:00.000+05:30

5 Jan 2012

Dr K C Chakrabarthy
Deputy Governor
Reserve Bank of India
Mumbai

Dear Sir

On behalf of Educational Loan Task Force (ELTF), we convey our greetings to you for a happy and prosperous New Year and Sankaranthi.

As you know, Educational loan outstanding in Tamilnadu has always been around 25% of the total outstanding of the whole nation. This is mainly because of the opportunities for higher education and the awareness level are higher in Tamilnadu.

In your well researched speech on Challenges and opportunities in Trillion Dollar Economy ( http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_ViewBulletin.aspx?Id=12340 ) and Challenges for next generation banking ( http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_ViewBulletin.aspx?Id=12342 ), you have emphasised the importance of higher education and the importance of Educational Loan for the growth of our nation.

From the latest available information from SLBC on the Education Loan as at Sep 2011 in Tamilnadu, the Private Banks, do not play any role in granting educational loans in Tamilnadu. We have been receiving lot of grievances from the deserving poor students that they are being allotted private banks for educational loan purposes. Even though, RBI does not permit any service area approach for educational loans, the banks in various districts follow this practise to the disadvantage of the poor and deserving students. Private Banks never follow IBA model guidelines. Hence, the students are put to disadvantage.

Let me take you through quickly the educational loan position in Tamilnadu as the end of Sep 2011.

Total Educational loan outstanding

The total Bank credit outstanding of all the banks in Tamilnadu as on 30.9.2011 was Rs.3,88,170 crores. Out of this, all the banks have an outstanding Educational loan of Rs.12,103 crores. This is 3.12% of the total bank credit outstanding of all banks.

Contribution by State Bank of India group

Out of the total bank credit outstanding of Rs.84,274 crores, SBI group banks have an outstanding of Rs.2,617 crores. This is 3.1% of the total bank credit outstanding of their bank in Tamilnadu.

Contribution by Nationalised banks.

Out of the total bank credit outstanding of Rs.1,81,527 crores as at the end of Sep 2011, the educational loan outstanding was Rs.8,367 crores. This is 4.61% of the total bank credit outstanding of all Nationalised banks..

Top performers under Educational Loan in Tamilnadu

Indian Bank (Rs.2438 crores - 7.8% of Total Bank Credit outstanding of their Bank in TN), State Bank of India (Rs.2,258 crores - 3.10% of TBC in TN), Indian Overseas Bank (Rs.1697 crores - 5% of TBC in TN) and Canara Bank (Rs.1450 crores - 6.62% of TBC in TN) have done good work. Educational Loan Task Force complements them for their good work.

Performance of Private Sector Banks in Tamilnadu

There are 16 Private Banks operating in Tamilnadu. Out of Rs.91,484 crores of Total Bank Credit outstanding of all the Private Banks in Tamilnadu as at 30th Sep 2011, the outstanding under Educational Loan of all the Private Sector Banks was Rs.1080 crores. This is 1.18% of the Total Bank credit outstanding.

Top performers under Private Sector Banks in TN

Tamilnadu Mercantile Bank has shown an outstanding Educational Loan of Rs.776 crores, as against their Total Bank Credit outstanding of Rs.8063 crores. This is 9.63% of the Total Bank credit outstanding. Since this ratio is abnormally very high, we suggest that RBI may kindly recheck their classification of advances. We feel that they might have added the loans to the College owners for construction of colleges. If their data is correct, we compliment them.

Poor performance of Private Sector Banks

If Tamilnadu Mercantile Bank is excluded, the total Educational Loan outstanding of all new generation private banks is Rs.304 crores, as against the total bank credit outstanding of Rs.83421 crores. This is 0.36 % of the total bank credit.

HDFC Bank has an outstanding Edu loan of Rs.29.8 crores, as against their total bank credit outstanding of Rs.16,157 crores. This is only 0.2 percent of their Total bank credit outstanding TN.

ICICI Bank has an outstanding Educational loan of Rs.4.29 crores as against the Total Bank credit outstanding of Rs.17,312 crores. This is a pathetic 0.02 percent of their Total Bank credit outstanding as at Sep 2011.

Axis Bank has an outstanding of Educational loan of Rs.0.91 crores, as against their Total Bank credit outstanding of Rs.11,241 crores. This is also a pathetic 0.01% of the total bank credit outstanding.

Multinational banks draw blank under Educational Loan

There are 12 Multinational Banks operating in Tamilnadu with a total bank credit outstanding of Rs.15,127 crores. You will be surprised to see that the outstanding under Educational Loan is 'zero'.

Our humble submission

From the above, you may kindly understand as to how the Private Banks and the Multinational Banks give a scant respect to the policies of RBI and IBA for the social improvement. While they exploit the resources here, they are not giving back to the society. We have been repeatedly pointing out to you about their scant respect.

Right to Education Act gives responsibility to the private schools also. In the same way, RBI should thrust responsibility on the Private Banks and MNC Banks to be part of this social responsibility.

Even the Public Sector Banks, after the grant of educational loan, are not maintaining proper connectivity with the students. From ELTF, we have even suggested to all the banks to arrange for the 'relationship' programme during the semester holidays. Last year, based on our suggestion, Indian Bank started the contact programme and arranged seminars at different centres on employability. They covered around 8000 students and their parents. This helped them a lot to update their records and to develop loyalty towards the bank. ELTF appeals to RBI, to advise all the banks to organise contact programmes frequently with the borrower students, to bring them closer. This will also help the banks to reduce NPA level.

With warm regards

K. Srinivasan
Convenor
Educational Loan Task Force
www.eltf.in
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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2012-01-02T13:31:00.000+05:30

Dear Shri Srinivasan,

Your exhaustive mail on SHAME ON Indian Parliament is well received. Our Politicians are shameless and they don't want an Investigative agency to probe their looting the country and stashing the money in Swiss banks. Shri Annaji has started the movement against corruption and wanted a strong Lokpal Bill. But the Government betrayed not only Annaji but also the people of this country. See how they argued and behaved in the Parliament and one M.P. Shri Rajnithi Prasad (RJD) even tore the Lokpal Bill. It is really a shame and dark day in the history of Indian Parliament. All the drama was enacted by the UPA government and of course all the other political parties played in the drama.

K.R. RAVI NARAYANAN,

BSNL.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan
Prime Point
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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Happy New Year 2012

2011-12-31T22:43:00.000+05:30

Many thanks.
Greetings/Best wishes for a delightful &peaceful 2012 to all & their dear ones
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[India_Vision_2020] Happy New Year 2012

2011-12-31T22:16:00.000+05:30

hi all

On behalf of Moderators' team, I wish all the members a very happy and prosperous New Year 2012. Let this new year bring more glory to us in person and also to our Nation.

Srinivasan

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-31T17:29:00.000+05:30

we need to get the change that we need in society.
A complete machinery is needed in the Indian context for winning an election
We need to make a beginning with a few in each state that goes for election

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Madden Gopal <madhana@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

Hi All Members,

Thanks for all of your comments. But there is no point in exchanging our feelings through emails among ourselves.

We have to form an action group & uniting Anna's supporters.

Can we form a " INDIAN POLICY MAKERS CLUB".[ IPMC]

It is easy to make our team very stronger. Every member can collect at least 500 members. [ please note that we invite at least 500 people for our weddings]

We can covert all these numbers into ' vote against corruption'.

It is important to have our own MEDIAS [ both papers/ TVs] to communicate with our members.

Please note that all most all the NRIs & good business groups are standing against corruption & they can provide their support by funding.

During 2014 election we can support any candidate who can adopt our policy & it is the time to start.

We can achieve our goal if we combine our powers together.

Please send all of your comments.

HAPPY & A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR-2012

Regards,

Madhan Gopal

Sydney

PLEASE SEND THIS EMAIL TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS

From: India_Vision_2020@yahoogroups.com [mailto:India_Vision_2020@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Prime Point Srinivasan
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:03 PM
To: India Vision group; Prpoint Group
Subject: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan

Prime Point

9176650273

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RE: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-31T16:26:00.000+05:30

dear maddan gopal

a great idea. we may extend ur idea. instead of voting for a person amoung the present parties, we may select our own person. our team can identify one good , capable, unblemmished candidate for each consituency for 2014 parliament elecction we can even identify our prime ministerial candidate and project him.
these r only starters
ready?

a venkateswaran
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camp: henley
england

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-31T07:55:00.000+05:30

Dear Friends,

Instead of being a quiet watcher for these things we must come together and march towards them and ask them to pass the bill or quit the parliment we doesnt need such a corrupted persons to rule us, isn't it??? Want to ask the members of parliment who don't want this bill to be passed that if they are not corrupted why they are afraiding for this Bill...

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RE: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-31T03:11:00.000+05:30

Hi All Members,

Thanks for all of your comments. But there is no point in exchanging our feelings through emails among ourselves.

We have to form an action group & uniting Anna’s supporters.

Can we form a “ INDIAN POLICY MAKERS CLUB”.[ IPMC]

It is easy to make our team very stronger. Every member can collect at least 500 members. [ please note that we invite at least 500 people for our weddings]

We can covert all these numbers into ‘ vote against corruption’.

It is important to have our own MEDIAS [ both papers/ TVs] to communicate with our members.

Please note that all most all the NRIs & good business groups are standing against corruption & they can provide their support by funding.

During 2014 election we can support any candidate who can adopt our policy & it is the time to start.

We can achieve our goal if we combine our powers together.

Please send all of your comments.

HAPPY & A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR-2012

Regards,

Madhan Gopal

Sydney

PLEASE SEND THIS EMAIL TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS

From: India_Vision_2020@yahoogroups.com [mailto:India_Vision_2020@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Prime Point Srinivasan
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:03 PM
To: India Vision group; Prpoint Group
Subject: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan

Prime Point

9176650273

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-30T22:53:00.000+05:30

Dear Indians,

Here goes an ancient saying -

"An unruly king brings certain calamity upon his subjects and likewise ignorant subjects can destroy the sovereignty of an entire nation".

Unfortunately, it fits in correctly in today's context. Those in power are abusing everything that is under their control and the public as usual is suffering from temporal outburst to be followed by selective amnesia. We need to go beyond gmail, facebook or twitter and get together in the act of nation building; else couple of years from now the next generation will only read about a nation called 'India' in their history textbooks.

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Godspeed,
Prashant A U

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan
Prime Point
9176650273

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-30T22:33:00.000+05:30

Hello all and Mr Srinivasan
When Anna Hazare and his team put pressure on the government to enact a strong Lok Pal law within a time frame he was accused of arrogating the Parliament's power of legislation to himself. The people's representatives argued that Parliament is supreme and it should be allowed to use its wisdom to decide what is best to the people in tackling the scourge of corruption. Looking at what happened in the Loksabha and Rajyasabha during the debates on the Lokpal and other bills one can't help concluding that they want power without responsibility and accountability. Many were not even present during the discussions. Every citizen should bend his head with shame on the conduct .of these representatives.

with greetings,

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-30T18:12:00.000+05:30

I'm happy in a way. Now the people who were criticizing Anna & IAC movement and those intellectuals who were crying hues about the Supremacy of Parliament had a nice..heavy dose of bitter medicine. Now they will try to find a solution instead of criticizing others who atleast try to make or bring a change !

From: Panchanadhan Rajagopalan <kamalapunch@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

Is this just a "mail" cry?

How to translate it into positive steps to have corruption-free society?

Let's not be joking around

How many of the members of Service Organisations / NGOs in India will be ready to look inward and work for a corruption-free society?

We talk from the pulpit about ethical leadership; how many of us can "throw stones" at the MPs?

If there is going to be an organised attempt at cleansing, the organised movement will be termed terrorism and put down by the powers that be.

Who gave the Parliament the power to inact laws as the members / Govt wish?

Why shouldn't there be a referendum so that there is a debate at every street corner on the issue and then the people decide what they want?

Unfortunate, in the name of democracy, the Govt and the Opposition usurp all the powers of the people?

Hope I am not wrong

Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM, parames waran <paramesannauniv@gmail.com> wrote:

No one political party is willing to strong anti corruption bill... Because they cannot be survive after this strong bill... All people are watching super DRAMA in current parliament session.... please Nominate all the MPs (Except one or two) to OSCAR AWARD... definitely india win so many oscars for best actor/actress award...

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2011-12-30T18:09:00.000+05:30

Dear Venkateswaran ji

Blessings [I am 69!!!!!!!!!!!; hope I'm old???]

You are right. I AM asking questions

I will be happy if we could find answers rather than asking for answers

Let this be, if you feel it right, the discussion point for all to join

Thanks for your immediate response

Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Venkateswaran Ayyaswami <venkivanaja@yahoo.com> wrote:

dear punch
u r asking questions. not giving answers. come out with answers.

a venkateswaran
thanjavur

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Subject: Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

Is this just a "mail" cry?
How to translate it into positive steps to have corruption-free society?
Let's not be joking around
How many of the members of Service Organisations / NGOs in India will be ready to look inward and work for a corruption-free society?

We talk from the pulpit about ethical leadership; how many of us can "throw stones" at the MPs?
If there is going to be an organised attempt at cleansing, the organised movement will be termed terrorism and put down by the powers that be.

Who gave the Parliament the power to inact laws as the members / Govt wish?
Why shouldn't there be a referendum so that there is a debate at every street corner on the issue and then the people decide what they want?

Unfortunate, in the name of democracy, the Govt and the Opposition usurp all the powers of the people?
Hope I am not wrong
Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM, parames waran <paramesannauniv@gmail.com> wrote:

No one political party is willing to strong anti corruption bill... Because they cannot be survive after this strong bill... All people are watching super DRAMA in current parliament session.... please Nominate all the MPs (Except one or two) to OSCAR AWARD... definitely india win so many oscars for best actor/actress award...

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2011-12-30T17:43:00.000+05:30

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2011-12-30T17:36:00.000+05:30

dear punch

u r asking questions. not giving answers. come out with answers.

a venkateswaran
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camp: henley

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Subject: Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

Is this just a "mail" cry?

How to translate it into positive steps to have corruption-free society?

Let's not be joking around

How many of the members of Service Organisations / NGOs in India will be ready to look inward and work for a corruption-free society?

We talk from the pulpit about ethical leadership; how many of us can "throw stones" at the MPs?

If there is going to be an organised attempt at cleansing, the organised movement will be termed terrorism and put down by the powers that be.

Who gave the Parliament the power to inact laws as the members / Govt wish?

Why shouldn't there be a referendum so that there is a debate at every street corner on the issue and then the people decide what they want?

Unfortunate, in the name of democracy, the Govt and the Opposition usurp all the powers of the people?

Hope I am not wrong

Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM, parames waran <paramesannauniv@gmail.com> wrote:

No one political party is willing to strong anti corruption bill... Because they cannot be survive after this strong bill... All people are watching super DRAMA in current parliament session.... please Nominate all the MPs (Except one or two) to OSCAR AWARD... definitely india win so many oscars for best actor/actress award...

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Is this just a "mail" cry?

How to translate it into positive steps to have corruption-free society?

Let's not be joking around

How many of the members of Service Organisations / NGOs in India will be ready to look inward and work for a corruption-free society?

We talk from the pulpit about ethical leadership; how many of us can "throw stones" at the MPs?

If there is going to be an organised attempt at cleansing, the organised movement will be termed terrorism and put down by the powers that be.

Who gave the Parliament the power to inact laws as the members / Govt wish?

Why shouldn't there be a referendum so that there is a debate at every street corner on the issue and then the people decide what they want?

Unfortunate, in the name of democracy, the Govt and the Opposition usurp all the powers of the people?

Hope I am not wrong

Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM, parames waran <paramesannauniv@gmail.com> wrote:

No one political party is willing to strong anti corruption bill... Because they cannot be survive after this strong bill... All people are watching super DRAMA in current parliament session.... please Nominate all the MPs (Except one or two) to OSCAR AWARD... definitely india win so many oscars for best actor/actress award...

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No one political party is willing to strong anti corruption bill... Because they cannot be survive after this strong bill... All people are watching super DRAMA in current parliament session.... please Nominate all the MPs (Except one or two) to OSCAR AWARD... definitely india win so many oscars for best actor/actress award...

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2011-12-30T14:10:00.000+05:30

Dear All
I agree with you that it was a planned sabotage. It is very clear that no politician, ruling or opposition, is keen on a strong anti corruption bill!. It is high time public realise it.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Panchanadhan Rajagopalan <kamalapunch@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All and Sri Srinivasan
Greetings fro Punch
We must compliment Sri Srinivasan for bringing us together against such a disorderly group of members of the Parliament, the Rajya Sabha in particular

It was as the Chairman said the mutual mudslinging - with the sole aim of not wanting to have a strong lokpal.

One thing, that we don't understand - what was Mr Bansal trying to say against prolonging the discussion beyond 00.00 hrs; why the reference to the Presidential Address in the new year, when they had TWO full days before the dawn of the New Year.

Again, what prevented the Govt from stopping to lobby amongst the different parties and going to the President for permission to go beyond 00.00 hrs? Will the Heavens come down if the Discussion is extended by a day? Maybe, the Govt thought it not fit to disturb the Madam President in the dead of night!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, why should the Govt be given time to study the amendments separately when the bill, once introduced, is the property of the house along with the proposed amendments. It is the prerogative of the house to decide in favour or against the amendments after discussion. Where were the Parliamentarians?

Was not Mr Jethmalani right in saying, "Power corrupts and the possibility of losing power corrupts absolutely"?

Where are we heading?

Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:25 PM, <jp.sangamam@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all
We the people of india unite and fight against corruption, support ANNA.
Jp

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan
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2011-12-30T12:49:00.000+05:30

Dear All

Need of the minute and hour is stand unite for this Freedom Struggle " INDIA AGAINST CORRUPTION"

LET US ALL OF US COME OUT AND STAND TOGETHER FOR THIS CAUSE AND MARCH AHEAD TILL WE ACHIEVE!!

COME ON !!!

MUKUNDAN

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Dear all
We the people of india unite and fight against corruption, support ANNA.
Jp

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan

Prime Point

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Dear All and Sri Srinivasan

Greetings fro Punch

We must compliment Sri Srinivasan for bringing us together against such a disorderly group of members of the Parliament, the Rajya Sabha in particular

It was as the Chairman said the mutual mudslinging - with the sole aim of not wanting to have a strong lokpal.

One thing, that we don't understand - what was Mr Bansal trying to say against prolonging the discussion beyond 00.00 hrs; why the reference to the Presidential Address in the new year, when they had TWO full days before the dawn of the New Year.

Again, what prevented the Govt from stopping to lobby amongst the different parties and going to the President for permission to go beyond 00.00 hrs? Will the Heavens come down if the Discussion is extended by a day? Maybe, the Govt thought it not fit to disturb the Madam President in the dead of night!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, why should the Govt be given time to study the amendments separately when the bill, once introduced, is the property of the house along with the proposed amendments. It is the prerogative of the house to decide in favour or against the amendments after discussion. Where were the Parliamentarians?

Was not Mr Jethmalani right in saying, "Power corrupts and the possibility of losing power corrupts absolutely"?

Where are we heading?

Punch

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:25 PM, <jp.sangamam@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all
We the people of india unite and fight against corruption, support ANNA.
Jp

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan
Prime Point
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Dear all
We the people of india unite and fight against corruption, support ANNA.
Jp

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan

Prime Point

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2011-12-30T12:15:00.000+05:30

Dear All, its indeed as per expected lines if we think what happened in parliament, ruling party ,opposition and Anna team. No one from these groups could have benefitted in UP polls by passing lokpal. Now each group can blame others and keep public guessing and confused. As no one can be ruled out as destroyer of lokpal, all will benefit at the cost of public. Citizens must keep momentum for strong anti corruption law till parliament gives the same. It may take few months or years. Rgds

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Dear All,

we are all thinking like this from some many years, Now God is giving opportunity to change this country. This is a right time to make change and citizen of India should come forward to make change other wise these politician will ruin this country.

regards,

Jagadish S

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Dear sir ,

It is really very sad.
Yes. None of the members in the parliament are ready to bring out strong lokpal. Because all are corrupted.
God only can save the country.

Regds
Ravi
Chennai.

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan
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2011-12-30T11:58:00.000+05:30

Dear All,

regards,

Jagadish S

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, <asrindian@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear sir ,

It is really very sad.
Yes. None of the members in the parliament are ready to bring out strong lokpal. Because all are corrupted.
God only can save the country.

Regds
Ravi
Chennai.

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Lokpal bill has been pending with Indian Parliament for the past 45 years, for one reason or other. After the break of major scams like Commonwealth games scam, 2G scam, Indians started realizing the need for some strong machinery to curb corruption.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

Even after getting enough proof of misuse of BSNL telephone connections for the family owned TV network, involving thousands of crores of loss to the Government, Maran brothers have not yet been arrested or brought before judicial system by the CBI. This has lowered the credibility of even the top investigating agency like CBI.

With this background, when Anna Hazare started the Anti corruption movement in last April 2011, millions of Indians stood behind him spontaneously. At that time, the Government promised to bring a strong Lokpal bill.

In spite of the fact that the Government spokespersons were ridiculing the movement itself, when Annaji started an indefinite fast, the whole nation again stood with him. This made the Lok Sabha to assure the nation that they would pass a strong Lok pal bill in the winter session.

In the winter session, the Government introduced the Lokpal bill. Though, it had lot of flaws, the people thought, something is better than nothing. After 8 hours of debate, Lok Sabha passed the bill on 27th Dec 2011 midnight. The constitutional status for lokpal was defeated.

Again when the bill was introduced on 29th Dec in Rajya Sabha, the intention of all the members were evident right from the beginning. Those, who watched live telecast in TVs would have predicted the results. Even from 6 PM onwards, all the channels started predicting that there would be chaos towards the end to avoid voting. As expected, one RJD member started plucking the papers from the minister and tore the papers in the open house, when the Vice President of India was chairing the session.

Even the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha (Vice President of India) was a silent observer of this ruckus. When a crucial bill was being debated, the Chairman did not order the marshals to remove the member from the House.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-30T11:41:00.000+05:30

Dear sir ,

It is really very sad.
Yes. None of the members in the parliament are ready to bring out strong lokpal. Because all are corrupted.
God only can save the country.

Regds
Ravi
Chennai.

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Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan

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[India_Vision_2020] Parliament shames India

2011-12-30T11:32:00.000+05:30

Hi all

In the past three days, Indian citizens have been fooled by the Honorable Members of Parliament.

Even the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was playing safe protecting the scamsters. Only after the intervention of Supreme Court and Media, the scamsters were arrested in all the major scams.

This situation also led the people to believe that the whole drama in Rajya Sabha was choreographed by all the vested interests and enacted verbatim.

The whole ruckus was going on till the midnight without any control. The people, who were watching the TV would have understood the intention of all the parties.

Finally, the Chairman adjourned the House sine-die. Though ruling and opposition parties are blaming each other for the ruckus and chaos, I feel all the parties have formed alliance to shame India.

All the parties do not want their Governments be investigated by any authority at Centre and State level.

I hang my head in shame for the behaviour of our Hon'ble Members of Parliament.

Srinivasan

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[India_Vision_2020] Anna Hazare visit to Chennai on Dec 18 - need volunteers

2011-12-14T09:17:00.000+05:30

Hi Friends,

Anna Hazare is visiting Chennai on December 18, Sunday.

He will address 10,000 - 40,000 people from all over TN at Pachaiyappa College grounds from 3-6 PM.

Are you willing to be a volunteer from 11 AM - 8 PM on December 18th?

http://bit.ly/annachennai

Please forward the email to your friends and family and also spread the message on Facebook etc

Invite your friends @ https://www.facebook.com/events/323426961020201/

Vande Mataram!

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] High Court orders penalty to 2 IOB Managers

2011-12-03T15:35:00.000+05:30

Dear Mr. Srinivasan,

Thank u for your mail. This is an eye opener for young aspiring meritorious students for getting Educational Loans from Public sector banks. They should fight for their legitimate rights of getting Loans.

Ravinarayanan,

BSNL

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all

For the past two years, we have many times discussed in the India Vision group about the scant respect given by the Bank Managers for education loan to meritorious poor students. Education Loan Task Force (ELTF) had intervened in many cases by taking up the matter with RBI to get justice to such victims.

Many banks do not follow the RBI/IBA norms while sanctioning the loans. They demand security even for loans upto 4 lakhs. They insist on payment of interest every quarter. They do not sanction or refuse the loan within the stipulated time of 30 days. The refusals are not done with the approval of next higher authorities.

While, we can get the problems resolved with the public sector banks, the private banks never care for the society or even to the authorities like RBI. Even though, we have taken up with RBI several times, about the attitude of private banks, RBI is more lenient with private banks, for their own reasons. We have observed, private banks seem to have no respect for RBI.

Though ELTF has been pointing out several times the 'indifference of IOB' for the past two years to their Management, the Bank has never shown any interest to rectify their deficiencies. Today all the news papers have carried a news item about Madras High Court pulling up the bank officials for not processing the edu loan application for more than one year. Besides, their arrogance has gone to the extent of not responding even to the High Court notices.

Please read the following story.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article2682904.ece

While these banks chase to fund thousands of crores of rupees to Mallyas of King Fisher and also 2G scam tainted companies, the sad reality is that they do not devote one - millionth of their attention to the meritorious poor students hailing from villages.

Let us wait and see whether IOB will change their attitude after this judgement or continue to remain 'insensitive and indifferent' to edu loan applicants and to the Hon'ble Courts.

If this trend continues among the pubic sector banks, the day is not far off the Chairman of the Banks and the RBI Governor will be ordered to appear before the Courts to give response.

Srinivasan
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[India_Vision_2020] High Court orders penalty to 2 IOB Managers

2011-12-03T11:20:00.000+05:30

Hi all

For the past two years, we have many times discussed in the India Vision group about the scant respect given by the Bank Managers for education loan to meritorious poor students. Education Loan Task Force (ELTF) had intervened in many cases by taking up the matter with RBI to get justice to such victims.

Many banks do not follow the RBI/IBA norms while sanctioning the loans. They demand security even for loans upto 4 lakhs. They insist on payment of interest every quarter. They do not sanction or refuse the loan within the stipulated time of 30 days. The refusals are not done with the approval of next higher authorities.

While, we can get the problems resolved with the public sector banks, the private banks never care for the society or even to the authorities like RBI. Even though, we have taken up with RBI several times, about the attitude of private banks, RBI is more lenient with private banks, for their own reasons. We have observed, private banks seem to have no respect for RBI.

Though ELTF has been pointing out several times the 'indifference of IOB' for the past two years to their Management, the Bank has never shown any interest to rectify their deficiencies. Today all the news papers have carried a news item about Madras High Court pulling up the bank officials for not processing the edu loan application for more than one year. Besides, their arrogance has gone to the extent of not responding even to the High Court notices.

Please read the following story.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article2682904.ece

While these banks chase to fund thousands of crores of rupees to Mallyas of King Fisher and also 2G scam tainted companies, the sad reality is that they do not devote one - millionth of their attention to the meritorious poor students hailing from villages.

Let us wait and see whether IOB will change their attitude after this judgement or continue to remain 'insensitive and indifferent' to edu loan applicants and to the Hon'ble Courts.

If this trend continues among the pubic sector banks, the day is not far off the Chairman of the Banks and the RBI Governor will be ordered to appear before the Courts to give response.

Srinivasan

Moderator, India Vision Group

Convenor, Education Loan Task Force ELTF

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[India_Vision_2020] NIRD Photo Contest & Exhibition on Rural Development

2011-11-08T18:36:00.000+05:30

Dear all,

The National Institute of Rural Development (Hyderabad), Govt. of India is inviting photographs for a contest on various rural development themes. NIRD likes to receive photographs portraying problems at the grassroot level or efforts being done by various stakeholders (including the Govt agencies & NGOs) in the country towards rural development. Apart from awarding certificates and cash prizes to the best three photographs, NIRD likes to organize photo exhibition with the selected photos and make the photos part of permanent photo Gallery in its Campus. You can find the Contest brochure link below for more details.

http://nird.org.in/NIRD_Docs/photo_exhibition.pdf for more details.

Last date for submission of photos with a caption and description is 21st November 2011.

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[India_Vision_2020] Koodangulam issue - Dr Kalam's 10 point suggestions ts.

2011-11-06T23:37:00.000+05:30

hi all

Today (6th November 2011) Dr Abdul Kalam visited the Koodangulam site to ensure the safety aspects and has also given a press briefing at the site itself about the safety aspects.

Dr Kalam has also issued a detailed statement (39 page in Tamil) about the safety aspects. He has answered all the doubts raised by the protestors.

Besides, he has also given a 10 point suggestion to Central and State Governments to improve the welfare of the local residents and to improve their economy.

This includes (1) laying of 4 lane roads from the villages nearby (2) employment opportunities with bank loan and subsidy, (3) providing green houses and boars to fishermn, (4) providing 1 million litre drinking water to the villages (5) bringing water from Pechiparai for agriculture and for drinking purposes, (6) Providing world class 500 bed hospital and two mobile hospitals for villagers (7) establishing five CBSE/State Board Schools with hostel facilities, (8) Providing broadband and internet facilities to all the nearby villages, (9) Providing disaster manager centres and training to establish the connectivity between the officials and villagers and (10) Identifying suitable youngsters from the villages for training and higher studies for recruitment in the Power Station.

The detailed full report in Tamil is available in the following link.

http://vetripadigal.blogspot.com/2011/11/blog-post.html

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[India_Vision_2020] Fear of Koodangulam Project unfounded - Scientific facts

2011-11-05T23:04:00.000+05:30

Dear Srini

It is a very useful interview full of convincing facts. Comings as it does, from a person known for his scientific knowledge besides being a close associate of Dr APJ, the views of V Ponraj command credibility.

I do not know why suddenly the Tamil Nadu government headed by JJ should support the Anti Koodangulam Movement. It is quite mysterious who is behind the movement, who is funding it and for what benefit. If any anti-national elements are involved, governments (both at the centre and the State especially the UPA-II) should take firm action to avoid innocent people being misled. A very good move that Dr APJ's services are being sought now. Besides being a nuclear scientist, he is also widely respected for his integrity and patriotic spirits as well as for his knowledge. Hence his views will be (and should be) listened and regarded well.

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Fear of Koodangulam Project unfounded - Scientific facts

2011-11-05T17:37:00.000+05:30

Sir koodankulam project is must for our nation development

Jp
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Subject: [India_Vision_2020] Fear of Koodangulam Project unfounded - Scientific facts

Dear friends

Now Koodangulam Nuclear Power station is facing crisis. After an investment of Rs.15,000 crores and work of more than a decade, this nuclear power station is ready to produce 1000 MW of power within a month or two. Another 1000 MW can be generated within six months.

When the production is to start in a few weeks, some of the activists along with villagers have been protesting against the nuclear power station. They have even met the Prime Minister and requested him to close down the power station. They are creating the fear among the villagers that this nuclear power station may also generate radiation and cause death, if an earthquake or Tsunami happens in future, like Japan's Fukushima.

The Government of India has requested Dr Abdul Kalam, Former President of India to visit the site and to help the Government to resolve the crisis. Dr Kalam is also visiting the site tonight.

With this background, on behalf of our group, I interviewed Mr V Ponraj, Advisor to Dr Abdul Kalam . Mr Ponraj is also a well known scientist. Mr Ponraj explains the scientific facts about nuclear energy.

Please read his full interview in the following link.

http://www.poduniversal.com/2011/11/fear-of-koodangulam-project-is.html

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Fear of Koodangulam Project unfounded - Scientific facts

2011-11-05T16:33:00.000+05:30

Dear sir ,

I strongly recommend Koodangulam project. We need that.

Regds
Ravi.

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Subject: [India_Vision_2020] Fear of Koodangulam Project unfounded - Scientific facts

Dear friends

The Government of India has requested Dr Abdul Kalam, Former President of India to visit the site and to help the Government to resolve the crisis. Dr Kalam is also visiting the site tonight.

Please read his full interview in the following link.

http://www.poduniversal.com/2011/11/fear-of-koodangulam-project-is.html

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[India_Vision_2020] Fear of Koodangulam Project unfounded - Scientific facts

2011-11-05T16:23:00.000+05:30

Dear friends

The Government of India has requested Dr Abdul Kalam, Former President of India to visit the site and to help the Government to resolve the crisis. Dr Kalam is also visiting the site tonight.

Please read his full interview in the following link.

http://www.poduniversal.com/2011/11/fear-of-koodangulam-project-is.html

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Creating socially responsible citizens

2011-11-01T13:41:00.000+05:30

hi iam always with vision 2020. since myself planting more and more trees to reduce ozone depletion and iam trying more to reduce plastic from our world. iam waiting for more and more electric cars to be come soon.

Thanks & Regards

Bijoy Rajendran

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM, <pkailashkanth@indianoil.co.in> wrote:

Good initiative,This is the need of the hour.

Lighting more candle and spreading the positive energy.Initiatives like tree plantations,usage of CNG to reduce pollution and ban on plastic carry bags, saving water & power are some of the ideas we can plant in the kids who are the future of this country/world.

Pl. give the methodology being fallowed, I wish start such initiatives in AP starting with Hyderabad.

Thanks & Regards

P. Kailash Kanth,

Manager(RS), SDO
Mobile No: 9490958053

Say No To Plastic Carry Bags and Save the Environment
Save Water and Save Power

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Hi,

This is Kartheeban, founder of Team Everest. Team Everest is one of the partner NGO of Action 2020 team. I'm also in India vision 2020 group. Everest core focus is on motivating more people to do good to the society. In short, they are involved in creating socially responsible citizens. We are involved in forming SRC's (Social responsibility cells) in schools and colleges and make the youths to give back to the society. The idea is, when they grow up, they will become good Samaritans of the society and will start helping others. In 2011 alone, Team Everest have helped more than 19,000+ lives.

Recently, Team Everest got featured in Cognizant's 'Vote for Outreach' campaign. You can go to this link - http://www.facebook.com/notes/cognizant-outreach/1000-children-10-villages-1-idea-that-transformed-them-all/178135832270122 and 'Like' & 'Share' the page. For each 'Like' or 'Share', Cognizant Outreach will sponsor Rs 10 to Team Everest. If you Like+Share, then Cognizant Outreach will give Rs 10 to Team Everest. Please help us out.. You can also ask your friends to go to this link and make them vote.

Note: You should go to the link and then like and share it. Only the likes and shares in that particular page will be taken in to consideration. Hence, requesting you to go to the link shared above and then like+share it.

Thanks everyone for your support.

Thanks & Regards,
Kartheeban.
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Re: [India_Vision_2020] Creating socially responsible citizens

2011-11-01T11:14:00.000+05:30

Good initiative,This is the need of the hour.

Lighting more candle and spreading the positive energy.Initiatives like tree plantations,usage of CNG to reduce pollution and ban on plastic carry bags, saving water & power are some of the ideas we can plant in the kids who are the future of this country/world.

Pl. give the methodology being fallowed, I wish start such initiatives in AP starting with Hyderabad.

Thanks & Regards

P. Kailash Kanth,

Manager(RS), SDO

Mobile No: 9490958053

Say No To Plastic Carry Bags and Save the Environment

Save Water and Save Power

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Hi,

This is Kartheeban, founder of Team Everest. Team Everest is one of the partner NGO of Action 2020 team. I’m also in India vision 2020 group. Everest core focus is on motivating more people to do good to the society. In short, they are involved in creating socially responsible citizens. We are involved in forming SRC’s (Social responsibility cells) in schools and colleges and make the youths to give back to the society. The idea is, when they grow up, they will become good Samaritans of the society and will start helping others. In 2011 alone, Team Everest have helped more than 19,000+ lives.

Recently, Team Everest got featured in Cognizant's 'Vote for Outreach' campaign. You can go to this link - http://www.facebook.com/notes/cognizant-outreach/1000-children-10-villages-1-idea-that-transformed-them-all/178135832270122 and 'Like' & 'Share' the page. For each 'Like' or 'Share', Cognizant Outreach will sponsor Rs 10 to Team Everest. If you Like+Share, then Cognizant Outreach will give Rs 10 to Team Everest. Please help us out.. You can also ask your friends to go to this link and make them vote.

Note: You should go to the link and then like and share it. Only the likes and shares in that particular page will be taken in to consideration. Hence, requesting you to go to the link shared above and then like+share it.

Thanks everyone for your support.

Thanks & Regards,
Kartheeban.
Website: www.teameverestindia.org
Mail: teameverest@yahoo.co.in
Twitter: www.twitter.com/teameverest
Youtube: www.youtube.com/teameverestvideos
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