[India_Vision_2020] Re: When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us

 

Sir,

Your analysis is good. What is happening in other countries is not our concern. Here in India we have to take cognizance of the crime rate and the spread of violence and our apathy to such news. We do not seem to care for the safety of anyone. Atleast the youth have risen up against such atrocity now. Their anger is the manifestation of frustration. Girls are unable to travel in the peak hour by public transport. As they have no alternatives, they put up with this kind of behaviour.

The government should provide more buses to accommodate students. Archaic bus systems will not do.

 The family system and unity of the family is a forgotten one. With both parents working for long hours curtail the family time and the quality time with the children. Children are glued on to the computer and have an access to the internet and view forbidden sites. They are not monitored. As an educator I hear from parents telling me about how their child viewed obscene videos as a group. They are only in the ages between 9-13 years!!! The boys threaten the girls to keep it a secret or they would be beaten up. wanting to belong to the group, these children also watch the video. How can their mind be on academics. They would like to experiment.

The worst part of it is that they know that they are watching a show which is not good or approved by the parents and teachers. One day the girl collapsed with overwhelming emotions and admits to their mothers. As you have rightly pointed out, the lack of quality time with the children at home by the parents is one of the reasons for this.

Deterrent laws can minimize but not completely eradicate this problem. The moral value system inherent in our culture also can help.

The serials in the T.V. promote revenge, eve teasing, chasing the girls and other violence and children are exposed to such themes and acts. The heroes in the films also come as villains with the 'heart of gold' and use unacceptable language. These slangs are just absorbed by the children. Even in the classes of 8 and 9 children want to experiment and force the girls.

The mobile phones are a boon in many ways. Kids in school bring them and take a photograph of girls in the toilet. 

Is it safe to travel in a crowded bus? NO. I am a senior citizen and I avoid getting into a crowded bus for the fear of stealthy hands. How are we going to tackle this issue? 

Many M.Ps are accused of rape. As per the media reports yesterday, the former President of India gave clemency to few people who not only raped children but also murdered them!! Why such clemency was shown? Does any party want to attend to this issue? if the answer is 'NO' and then we should look for answers "why".

FIR: IT is very difficult to lodge a FIR with the police. The police must be sure that there are no politician or his family or friends involved. Then they quote an archiac law that women of tainted character cannot complain about rape!!

The law makers also have to be careful before enforcing these laws against rape. There may be some false FIR on account of personal vendetta and in those cases justice will be denied to the innocent men.This is happening in the anti dowry laws. Many a times we do get to know of the boys who are booked under the anti dowry law because the girl or her parents do not approve of the son-in-law.

It is not enough to make laws. The Laws should also be enforced regardless of caste, creed, religion or POLITICAL CONNECTIONS or their being MPS or Ministers.

As you have said let us as a society introspect ourselves and find a solution to self monitor locality wise. 

In this juncture, I'm reminded of an istriwala in the corner of my street who used to watch out for the young girls residing in our or neighboring streets and would accompany them to the house if they happen to come home late!! Local people should join together and ensure some safety measures. if all localities have this kind of helping hands, society will be more secure.

lakshmi radhakrishnan.

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[India_Vision_2020] MPs score card till winter session 2012 of 15th Lok Sabha - Interesting facts

 

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At the end of every session, we always analyse and review the performance of our MPs in the Lok Sabha.  The 12th session of 15th Lok Sabha started on 22nd November 2012 and ended on 20th December 2012.  20 sittings were scheduled for the winter session.  Both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha were disrupted on many occassions due to FDI issue, Reservation issue, Delhi gang-rape issue, etc.  Lok Sabha lost nearly 47% of the scheduled hours of business in this winter session.  Similarly Rajya Sabha lost around 50% of the time.

Question Hours disrupted

Parliament starts with Question Hour at 11 AM daily.  The Government is forced to give reply to many of the issues relating to the states and constituency.  During disruption, the Question Hour gets lost and the Ministers escape from answering important issues.  This is a very sorry state of affairs.   Disruption and cancellation of Question Hour is against the interest of the people and wishes of our Constitutional makers.  I have also been discussing with many of the top performing MPs to take up this issue with their leaders and to find out a solution to run the Question Hour smoothly.  

A time has come that media should run a campaign and mobilise public opinion against such disruptions of Parliament time.  

Business conducted in Lok Sabha

Lok Sabha passed 7 bills during this session.  Banking Law amendment bill, Companies Act, Constitutional 118th Amendment were important bills that were passed during this session.    Issues relating to FDI retail and gang-rape in Delhi were also discussed in detail.  Some of the discussions on the Private Members bills were also highly useful and informative.

Though the Govt. planned  to get 26 bills passed, due  to disruptions only 7 bills could be passed.

The Government introduced 9 bills, out of 11 bills planned.

Performance of MPs.

Generally, the performance of MPs in the Lok Sabha is assessed by the four parameters.  (a) Debates participated, (b) Questions raised, (c) introduction of private members bills and (4) attendance.  Generally, the top performing MPs in the Lok Sabha do well in their constituency too.

We have the data relating to their performance till the end of  12th Session of the 15th Lok Sabha (4th June 2009 to 20th Dec 2012).  The Parliament held 12 sessions with 282 sittings during this period.  The follows MPs are the top performers.

1.  Mr Ananda Rao Adsul (Shiv Sena  MP from Maharashtra) has stood first in the total tally and also in  raising questions.  (Debates 32 Pvt Bills 3 and Questions 971 - Total 1006.  Attendance 77%).

2.  Mr S S  Ramasubbu (Congress MP from Tamilnadu).  He ranks No 2 in the overall tally.  (Debates 132 Pvt Bills 2 Questions 821 - Total tally 955 - Attendance 97%)

3.  Mr Hansraj Gangaram Ahir (BJP MP from Maharashtra) has topped in the introduction of Private Members bills.  (He is also the whistle blower of coal scam).  (Debates 91 Pvt Bills 27 Questions 801 - Total 919 - Attendance 72%)

4.  Mr Arjun Ram Meghwal (BJP MP from Rajasthan).  He continues to maintain the top position for debates.  (Debates 345 Pvt Bills 20 Question 543 - Total 908 - Attendance 99%).

It may be noted that all the four MPs continue to maintain their lead for the past several sessions.  It may also be noted that they were given 'Sansad Ratna' Award by Prime Point Foundation and the Ezine PreSense in April 2012.    Let us congratulate them for their splendid performance.  Our appreciation will motivate them further.

100% Attendance

5 Members have secured 100% attendance by participating in all the 282 sittings.  

They are Mr P T Thomas (Congress - Kerala), Mr K P Dhanapalan (Congress - Kerala), Mr Aruna Kumar Vundavalli (Congress - AP), Ms Mala Rajya Laxmi Shah (BJP - Uttarakhand),  and Mr Ramesh Kumar (Congress Delhi).

Excepting Mr P T Thomas (total tally 493) and Mr Dhanapalan (total tally 404), other three  members have not contributed much inside the Lok Sabha in debates, private bills and questions, though they have been attending all the sittings.

Special mention about Mr Ramesh Kumar (Delhi)

Mr Ramesh Kumar is the Cong MP from South Delhi.  He has 100% attendance.  But he has not participated in any debates, introduced any private bills or raised questions.  His total tally is 'zero'.  We were wondering how he manages his time by sitting quietly and  watching all the proceedings without opening his mouth.  

MPs with a single digit tally (0 to 9)

At the end of 12 sessions (282 sittings) of 15th Lok Sabha , 25 MPs have not spoken a single word in the Lok Sabha.  Their total tally is 'zero'.  This includes Vijaya Shanthi, actress. Out of this 25, 12 of them were past Ministers, like Dayanidhi Maran, A Raja.  

38 Members have scored a tally of 1 to 9 in all these sittings.  This includes Ms Sonia Gandhi (Debate 1, Attendance 48%), Mr Rahul Gandhi (Debate 1, Attendance 44%), Mr Kalyan Singh (Debate 1, Attendance 49%), Mr Dig Vijay Singh (Debate 2, Attendance 77%), Mr Raj Babbar (Debate 2, Attendance 69%) and Mr H D Kumaraswamy (Debate 2 Attendance 33%). 

Some interesting facts

During the current 15th Lok Sabha, 14383 debates have been recorded.  336 Private Bills have been introduced.  1,12,270 Questions (starred and unstarred)  have been raised and answered.  

Interestingly the top 100 members participate in one-third of the debates and raise nearly 50% of the Questions.  The current Lok Sabha has 554 Members.  47 Lok Sabha MPs are in the cabinet.  Hence, 507 MPs only are eligible  participate in the debates, introduce private bills and raise questions.  

Let us all congratulate the top performing MPs and encourage them to continue their contribution.  

Most important concern of all the citizens of India

The most important concern of every citizen is the disruption of Parliament for one reason or other.  When India is growing, we expect that the Parliament should conduct the business without disruption.  The ruling party and opposition parties should find a way to use the 100% of Parliament time for the national development. 

We even suggest the members who disrupt the Parliament should be banned from the House and denied their privileges and allowances.  

If any member wants to get the full details, please send a mail to me for the complete details in excel sheet.  

(Data courtesy: Lok Sabha site www.loksabha.nic.in  and PRS India site www.prsindia.org)

Srinivasan

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Re: [India_Vision_2020] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us

 

Dear all

The comparison with what happens in other countries does not absolve us of our social responsibility as civilised people.

Yet, what's missing is Discipline - the art of self control even in the absence of external control

Every one seems to be "playing" for the gallery and our TV commercials are nothing but outrage against woman-hood - woman falling for a man having a clean shave with gillette; or women falling for the "axe" or any other deodorant;the "shave-crave" programme.

More, in the name of discussion, the whole trial is conducted and judgements expressed, even before the Court sits. We do not understand what subjudice is.

There is one today - Abhijit Mukerjee - calling the demonstration at India Gate "pink revolution" and gets away with his remark - another case of freedom of expression!

It has now become a fashion for all politicians to say something in public and then denying having said it or saying that he/she did not mean it or he/she had been misquoted.

The very communication must be empathetical.

What you say is not as important as how others would take it.

What we need is the ethical managment; let's ask three questions:

Will it be true?

Will it be fair to all?

How will it make me feel about myself after communicating?

This applies to every communication - be it from an individual, individual in power/position or a TV channel

Prof R Panchanadhan

On 27 December 2012 12:18, Shaurya Shah <shaurya_munich@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

 

Dear Srinivasan ji,

Really a thought provoking mail by you.
I think India has changed drastically after freedom of content of TV programs..

Back in 1992, Star TV other channels came up with American shows in India and then it continued till date... adding more explicit contents day by day.. The amusement that people of India once getting by our own value based 'Yeh jo hai Zindagi' or 'Nukkad' or 'Mahabharat' or a Sunday movie, has been shifted to shows like 'Big Boss' and the likes (too many to name)... and the explicit contents have reached to the remote villages of this cultured nation.

When a TV set can create +ve vibrations in human brain with shows like yesteryears, the same TV set creates criminal brain..

AND THEN WE SHALL ARGUE.. NO WE MUST HAVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION... PEOPLE SHOULD BE MATURE ENOUGH TO RESTRICT THEIR CHILDREN TO WATCH A SELECTED LIST OF PROGRAM.. ETC.

You are right we the Indians are known for our values.. and these values are overlapped since 1992 in an increasing magnitude..

Jai Hind!

Shaurya Shah

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Sent: Wednesday, 26 December 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: [India_Vision_2020] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us

 

hi all

What was once a 'shame' is now a 'pride'

What was once considered as a 'shame' in the minds of the society two decades back, has now become the 'pride'.  After the unfortunate Delhi gang-rape incident,  the chest beating college students, youngsters and activists have created an impression with the help of media, as if India is engaged only in gang-rape and the women are unsafe in this country.  Some of the anti-social elements and political forces have also joined the protest causing violence.  We offer our prayers for the speedy recovery of the Delhi girl and other victims who are not reported in the media. 

It has also become the fashion nowadays to join their chorus.  Even the sane voices like how women should be careful, are being drubbed as 'regressive' suggestions.  They are being condemned and ridiculed. 

When the Delhi youth and activists are blaming the Government for this incident, they have forgotten that the society has got a greater role in reducing such heinous crimes.

NCRB data on crime against women in India (11 categories)

National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) of Government of India has published that in 2011, 2,28,650 cases have been registered in all Police Stations as crime against women.  This includes 11 categories of crime against women  under IPC like rape, kidnapping, dowry deaths, cruelty by husband, molestaton, sexual harassment, immoral traffic, etc.  That means 18.9 cases for every one lakh population.   In 2007, 1,85,312 were registered (rate 16.3).  There is an increase of nearly 24% registered crime over the past 4 years.  

Andhra Pradesh (33.4 cases for every one lakh population), Kerala (33.3), Tirupura (37.0), West Bengal (31.9) have shown  higher incidences of crime against women.  Please remember these are all registered cases.  There may be lot of cases who were not registered with Police.  

Rape cases registered in India in 2011 (IPC 376)

Out of the 11 categories of crime against women, IPC 376 deals with rape.  Under this section, 24,206 cases have been registered with Police stations in India in 2011.  This is 2.0 cases for every one lakh population).  During 2007, 20,737 cases were registered (rate 1.8).  There is an increase of 17% over  the cases registered under 'rape'.  Please remember that these are all registered cases and there may be lot of cases not registered with the Police.

UN Report on rape cases registered with other countries

As per the UN report, USA (27.3 incidences of reported rape cases for every 1 lakh population), Ireland (10.7), Norway (19.2), Sweden (63.5), UK (28.8), German (9.4), South AFrica (120) are having more registered cases than India.  As said earlier, in India, many cases might not have been registered for different reasons.  

Is not the society responsible?

It is sad that the activists and emotionally charged youth are trying to blame the Government and the Police for such phenomenon.  As I said earlier, there are many women victims who suffer in silence without going to the authorities.  Severe punishment in law book cannot alone resolve this issue.  These do not include harassment to women through cyber space.  I am writing separately about how educated youth harass the women through technology.  

While I agree that Government and Police have greater role to play, I feel they cannot reduce the crime  without the involvement of the society.  

As Thiruvalluvar puts it, every disease has its root cause.  We need to identity the root cause and try to remove the causes.  The activists and the media are addressing the peripheral issues. I am sharing some of the causes for this phenomenon, as perceived by me.  I do not mind being branded as  'regressive' or orthodox for being frank.

Reasons for this phenomenon

1.  In the past two decades, the moral values are coming down in the society.  Even schools have stopped teaching moral instruction classes.  Now we are being taught how to be highly competitive.  Our children are being taught how to be materialistic, than how to be 'humanistic'.

2. A study reveals that more than 75% of such crimes against women  are committed by the people who are closely known to the women.  Because of this, many cases do not get reported for fear of their family name being spoiled.  The chest beating activists and students should first take a pledge to create awareness among their locality and family not to harass women either in the family or public places.  They should create awareness not to tease a girl for not providing dowry.  They should also take oath not to indulge in eve teasing of girls in the public places.  If this happens, nearly three-fourth of the crimes will be reduced in a single stroke. 

3.  When the Delhi girl was lying naked on the road after violent attacks, 50 Delhi people were reported to be standing around her.  None of them called up the Police for any medical help.  None of them draped her with a cloth.  Where their human values had gone?  Even animals will care for another animal of their clan.  These activists and screaming media anchors should first create awareness among the fellow citizens to be 'human', whenever the other person is in distress.  Police alone cannot prevent such crimes.  Society has to play its role first.  If by chance, this 50 people were illiterate and uneducated rural persons, they would have taken care immediately.  It is a shame for the nation, more than the shame of the girl being gang-raped.  

4.  Another disturbing matter is that the most 'progressive'    JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University)  in Delhi has got a condom vending machine inside their campus, to help the students.  In 2008, when they set up this machine, there were lot of objections.  They were all branded as 'regressive' people.  What are they trying to teach the young students by installing condom vending machine?  Our ancestors have taught as moral values and how to respect the womanhood.   Are we moving from 'moral values' to 'safe sex'?  The progressive forces can defend all such developments.  When we allow our children to have 'safe sex', naturally it leads to 'living together', sexual abuse, mental trauma when the girl is abandoned.  According to a senior Police Officer whom I interacted, nearly 70% of the rape cases filed by the women are called 'technical'.  That means, the girl files a rape case against the boy, when the promise is not fulfilled  after the mutual consented sex.  The remaining 30% are violent sexual abuse.  

5.  No doubt, present day women are required to work in offices during odd hours.  There may be good and bad people in the society.  In India, every family member is more concerned with the safety of the woman in their home.  When the ladies are working in the odd hours, the employers have to take care of the safety of these women by picking up and dropping them back at their places.  At the same time, the ladies also should take enough pro-active care when they are forced to undertake journey during odd hours.   It is sad, when some of the elderly political leaders point out this pro-active measures, it is being objected by the so called 'progressive forces'.  The activists should realise when a lady is put to torture, it causes trauma to the entire family.  It is not an offense to be 'pro-active' and follow safety measures, to avoid any unfortunate incident.  Are we not keeping our house locked during night time to save from robbers?  

6.  The present day students and youth are exposed heavily to the bad side of the life and system through media, television, cinema and internet round the clock.  In addition, the 'parenting' quality also has come down heavily.  What was once the 'moral values' is being mocked at or brushed aside as retrograde measures.  This is causing the degradation of the society and the tacit approval for all immoral activities.

Need to reinvent the wheel

Now that the Government has appointed Justice Verma Commission to recommend measures, the activists and the students should submit their views to the Commission for improvement of the legal system.  Even if there is a drastic change in the legal system, nothing will improve until the society changes its attitude.  

In the name of globalisation, we have adopted all the bad and discarded practises of western countries.  They have been adopting the best practises of India.  Now US and UK have started realising the great values of India and started using our methods.  I remember once UK Prime Minister and Opposition leader have jointly talked about the family system of India in their Parliament, as a cure for their problems.  

India's strength is the 'family system'.  Whether north, south, east or west, we have rich culture and tradition.  In the name of modernity, let us not belittle our values to get trapped into gutter.  A time has come that we need to introspect ourselves and reinvent the wheel.

Srinivasan

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Dear Srinivasan ji,

Really a thought provoking mail by you.
I think India has changed drastically after freedom of content of TV programs..

Back in 1992, Star TV other channels came up with American shows in India and then it continued till date... adding more explicit contents day by day.. The amusement that people of India once getting by our own value based 'Yeh jo hai Zindagi' or 'Nukkad' or 'Mahabharat' or a Sunday movie, has been shifted to shows like 'Big Boss' and the likes (too many to name)... and the explicit contents have reached to the remote villages of this cultured nation.

When a TV set can create +ve vibrations in human brain with shows like yesteryears, the same TV set creates criminal brain..

AND THEN WE SHALL ARGUE.. NO WE MUST HAVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION... PEOPLE SHOULD BE MATURE ENOUGH TO RESTRICT THEIR CHILDREN TO WATCH A SELECTED LIST OF PROGRAM.. ETC.

You are right we the Indians are known for our values.. and these values are overlapped since 1992 in an increasing magnitude..

Jai Hind!

Shaurya Shah

---

From: Prime Point Srinivasan
To: Prpoint Group ; India Vision Group ; action2020@yahoogroups.com; Education Loan Task Force ELTF ; gfpr@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 December 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: [India_Vision_2020] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us

�

hi all

What was once a 'shame' is now a 'pride'

What was once considered as a 'shame' in the minds of the society two decades back, has now become the 'pride'. �After the unfortunate Delhi gang-rape incident, �the chest beating college students, youngsters and�activists�have created an impression with the help of media, as if India is engaged only in gang-rape and the women are unsafe in this country. �Some of the anti-social elements and political forces have also joined the protest causing violence. �We offer our prayers for the speedy recovery of the Delhi girl and other victims who are not reported in the media.�

It has also become the fashion nowadays to join their chorus. �Even the sane voices like how women should be careful, are being drubbed as 'regressive' suggestions. �They are being condemned and�ridiculed.�

When the Delhi youth and activists are blaming the Government for this incident, they have forgotten that the society has got a greater role in reducing such�heinous�crimes.

NCRB data on crime against women in India (11 categories)

National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) of Government of India has published that in 2011, 2,28,650 cases have been registered in all Police Stations as crime against women. �This includes 11 categories of crime against women �under IPC like rape, kidnapping, dowry deaths, cruelty by husband, molestaton, sexual harassment, immoral traffic, etc. �That means 18.9 cases for every one lakh population. � In 2007, 1,85,312 were registered (rate 16.3). �There is an increase of nearly 24% registered crime over the past 4 years. �

Andhra Pradesh (33.4 cases for every one lakh population), Kerala (33.3), Tirupura (37.0), West Bengal (31.9) have shown �higher incidences of crime against women. �Please remember these are all registered cases. �There may be lot of cases who were not registered with Police. �

Rape cases registered in India in 2011 (IPC 376)

Out of the 11 categories of crime against women, IPC 376 deals with rape. �Under this section, 24,206 cases have been registered with Police stations in India in 2011. �This is 2.0 cases for every one lakh population). �During 2007, 20,737 cases were registered (rate 1.8). �There is an increase of 17% over �the cases registered under 'rape'. �Please remember that these are all registered cases and there may be lot of cases not registered with the Police.

UN Report on rape cases registered with other countries

As per the UN report, USA (27.3 incidences of reported rape cases for every 1 lakh population), Ireland (10.7), Norway (19.2), Sweden (63.5), UK (28.8), German (9.4), South AFrica (120) are having more registered cases than India. �As said earlier, in India, many cases might not have been registered for different reasons. �

Is not the society responsible?

It is sad that the activists and emotionally charged youth are trying to blame the Government and the Police for such phenomenon. �As I said earlier, there are many women victims who suffer in silence without going to the authorities. �Severe punishment in law book cannot alone resolve this issue. �These do not include harassment to women through cyber space. �I am writing separately about how educated youth harass the women through technology. �

While I agree that Government and Police have greater role to play, I feel they cannot reduce the crime �without the involvement of the society. �

As Thiruvalluvar puts it, every disease has its root cause. �We need to identity the root cause and try to remove the causes. �The activists and the media are addressing the�peripheral issues. I am sharing some of the causes for this phenomenon, as perceived by me. �I do not mind being branded as �'regressive' or orthodox for being frank.

Reasons for this phenomenon

1. �In the past two decades, the moral values are coming down in the society. �Even schools have stopped teaching moral instruction classes. �Now we are being taught how to be highly competitive. �Our children are being taught how to be materialistic, than how to be 'humanistic'.

2. A study reveals that more than 75% of such crimes against women �are committed by the people who are closely known to the women. �Because of this, many cases do not get reported for fear of their family name being spoiled. �The chest beating activists and students should first take a pledge to create awareness among their locality and family not to harass women either in the family or public places. �They should create awareness not to tease a girl for not providing dowry. �They should also take oath not to indulge in eve teasing of girls in the public places. �If this happens, nearly three-fourth of the crimes will be reduced in a single stroke.�

3. �When the Delhi girl was lying naked on the road after violent attacks, 50 Delhi people were reported to be standing around her. �None of them called up the Police for any medical help. �None of them�draped�her with a cloth. �Where their human values had gone? �Even animals will care for another animal of their clan. �These activists and screaming media anchors should first create awareness among the fellow citizens to be 'human', whenever the other person is in�distress. �Police alone cannot prevent such crimes. �Society has to play its role first. �If by chance, this 50 people were�illiterate�and uneducated rural persons, they would have taken care immediately. �It is a shame for the nation, more than the shame of the girl being gang-raped. �

4. �Another disturbing matter is that the most 'progressive' � �JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University) �in Delhi has got a�condom vending machine inside their campus, to help the students. �In 2008, when they set up this machine, there were lot of objections. �They were all branded as 'regressive' people. �What are they trying to teach the young students by installing condom vending machine? �Our ancestors have taught as moral values and how to respect the�womanhood. ��Are we moving from 'moral values' to 'safe sex'? �The progressive forces can defend all such developments. �When we allow our children to have 'safe sex', naturally it leads to 'living together', sexual abuse, mental trauma when the girl is abandoned. �According to a senior Police Officer whom I interacted, nearly 70% of the rape cases filed by the women are called 'technical'. �That means, the girl files a rape case against the boy, when the promise is not�fulfilled� after the mutual consented sex. �The remaining 30% are violent sexual abuse. �

5. �No doubt, present day women are required to work in offices during odd hours. �There may be good and bad people in the society. �In India, every family member is more concerned with the safety of the woman in their home. �When the ladies are working in the odd hours, the employers have to take care of the safety of these women by picking up and dropping them back at their places. �At the same time, the ladies also should take enough pro-active care when they are forced to undertake journey during odd hours. � It is sad, when some of the elderly political leaders point out this pro-active measures, it is being objected by the so called 'progressive forces'. �The activists should realise when a lady is put to torture, it causes trauma to the entire family. �It is not an offense to be 'pro-active' and follow safety measures, to avoid any unfortunate incident. �Are we not keeping our house locked during night time to save from robbers? �

6. �The present day students and youth are exposed heavily to the bad side of the life and system through media, television, cinema and internet round the clock. �In addition, the 'parenting' quality also has come down heavily. �What was once the 'moral values' is being mocked at or brushed aside as�retrograde�measures. �This is causing the degradation of the society and the tacit approval for all immoral activities.

Need to reinvent the wheel

Now that the Government has appointed Justice Verma Commission to recommend measures, the activists and the students should submit their views to the Commission for improvement of the legal system. �Even if there is a drastic change in the legal system, nothing will improve until the society changes its attitude. �

In the name of globalisation, we have adopted all the bad and discarded�practises�of western countries. �They have been adopting the best practises of India. �Now US and UK have started realising the great values of India and started using our methods. �I remember once UK Prime Minister and Opposition leader have jointly talked about the family system of India in their Parliament, as a cure for their problems. �

India's strength is the 'family system'. �Whether north, south, east or west, we have rich culture and tradition. �In the name of modernity, let us not belittle our values to get trapped into gutter. �A time has come that we need to introspect ourselves and reinvent the wheel.

Srinivasan

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Dear

I totally agree with what Mr Srinivasan & Xavier Prabhu wrote here. I too opined in a similar way to a posting of Mr BN Kumar, in these groups. It is easier to raise your pointer in accusation. It is hypocrisy if you don't realize that the other fingers are turned towards you.

Yes, proper policing does not mean the physical presence of police in large numbers. If the society degenerates, even the ratio of 1 policeman for 100 citizens would not suffice.

Mobilizing the mobs to hit roads is easier than creating the desired awareness on an issue. Agitation is a weapon to be used sparingly. If it is made to be a habit, people lose prudence. There are vested interests all around, who always kept waiting in the wings to en-cash the gullibility of the youth.

The ethical duty of the Opinion Leaders shall be "Public be informed & educated". In this process, public are, no doubt, informed. But the motive is different.

Regards,

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Xavier Prabhu <xprabhu@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear all,
 
am commenting in one mail to the chain of mails starting with one BNK wrote.
 
there is a recourse to Indian morals and values in a lot of these discussions which are distorted myths and convneiently projected. India and its kings/soceity has had prostitution since time immemorial and Yellamma is the Goddess of Prostitution and ofcourse there is the devadasi tradition. we have eroticism in our literature and on our temple walls and in our art.  even Indian mythology has characters which are amorous and the truth is that they never get projected leading to a distorted view of Indian culture. 
 
the real parameter to judge this outburst or protest is that does it lead to action on three fronts:
 
- better policing that leads to higher convictions and thus a deterrent
- reforming of the law to ensure it is sensitized and effective
- education to ensure right from a young age we are taught to treat both sexes as equals
 
if that is achieved then this was worth the chaos and commotion. if not, then this was one more media hyped storm that did nothing.
 
next year this time we all will know.
 
regards,
 
Xavier Prabhu
 

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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:42:56 +0530
Subject: [prpoint] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us

hi all

What was once a 'shame' is now a 'pride'

What was once considered as a 'shame' in the minds of the society two decades back, has now become the 'pride'.  After the unfortunate Delhi gang-rape incident,  the chest beating college students, youngsters and activists have created an impression with the help of media, as if India is engaged only in gang-rape and the women are unsafe in this country.  Some of the anti-social elements and political forces have also joined the protest causing violence.  We offer our prayers for the speedy recovery of the Delhi girl and other victims who are not reported in the media. 

It has also become the fashion nowadays to join their chorus.  Even the sane voices like how women should be careful, are being drubbed as 'regressive' suggestions.  They are being condemned and ridiculed. 

When the Delhi youth and activists are blaming the Government for this incident, they have forgotten that the society has got a greater role in reducing such heinous crimes.

NCRB data on crime against women in India (11 categories)

National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) of Government of India has published that in 2011, 2,28,650 cases have been registered in all Police Stations as crime against women.  This includes 11 categories of crime against women  under IPC like rape, kidnapping, dowry deaths, cruelty by husband, molestaton, sexual harassment, immoral traffic, etc.  That means 18.9 cases for every one lakh population.   In 2007, 1,85,312 were registered (rate 16.3).  There is an increase of nearly 24% registered crime over the past 4 years.  

Andhra Pradesh (33.4 cases for every one lakh population), Kerala (33.3), Tirupura (37.0), West Bengal (31.9) have shown  higher incidences of crime against women.  Please remember these are all registered cases.  There may be lot of cases who were not registered with Police.  

Rape cases registered in India in 2011 (IPC 376)

Out of the 11 categories of crime against women, IPC 376 deals with rape.  Under this section, 24,206 cases have been registered with Police stations in India in 2011.  This is 2.0 cases for every one lakh population).  During 2007, 20,737 cases were registered (rate 1.8).  There is an increase of 17% over  the cases registered under 'rape'.  Please remember that these are all registered cases and there may be lot of cases not registered with the Police.

UN Report on rape cases registered with other countries

As per the UN report, USA (27.3 incidences of reported rape cases for every 1 lakh population), Ireland (10.7), Norway (19.2), Sweden (63.5), UK (28.8), German (9.4), South AFrica (120) are having more registered cases than India.  As said earlier, in India, many cases might not have been registered for different reasons.  

Is not the society responsible?

It is sad that the activists and emotionally charged youth are trying to blame the Government and the Police for such phenomenon.  As I said earlier, there are many women victims who suffer in silence without going to the authorities.  Severe punishment in law book cannot alone resolve this issue.  These do not include harassment to women through cyber space.  I am writing separately about how educated youth harass the women through technology.  

While I agree that Government and Police have greater role to play, I feel they cannot reduce the crime  without the involvement of the society.  

As Thiruvalluvar puts it, every disease has its root cause.  We need to identity the root cause and try to remove the causes.  The activists and the media are addressing the peripheral issues. I am sharing some of the causes for this phenomenon, as perceived by me.  I do not mind being branded as  'regressive' or orthodox for being frank.

Reasons for this phenomenon

1.  In the past two decades, the moral values are coming down in the society.  Even schools have stopped teaching moral instruction classes.  Now we are being taught how to be highly competitive.  Our children are being taught how to be materialistic, than how to be 'humanistic'.

2. A study reveals that more than 75% of such crimes against women  are committed by the people who are closely known to the women.  Because of this, many cases do not get reported for fear of their family name being spoiled.  The chest beating activists and students should first take a pledge to create awareness among their locality and family not to harass women either in the family or public places.  They should create awareness not to tease a girl for not providing dowry.  They should also take oath not to indulge in eve teasing of girls in the public places.  If this happens, nearly three-fourth of the crimes will be reduced in a single stroke. 

3.  When the Delhi girl was lying naked on the road after violent attacks, 50 Delhi people were reported to be standing around her.  None of them called up the Police for any medical help.  None of them draped her with a cloth.  Where their human values had gone?  Even animals will care for another animal of their clan.  These activists and screaming media anchors should first create awareness among the fellow citizens to be 'human', whenever the other person is in distress.  Police alone cannot prevent such crimes.  Society has to play its role first.  If by chance, this 50 people were illiterate and uneducated rural persons, they would have taken care immediately.  It is a shame for the nation, more than the shame of the girl being gang-raped.  

4.  Another disturbing matter is that the most 'progressive'    JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University)  in Delhi has got a condom vending machine inside their campus, to help the students.  In 2008, when they set up this machine, there were lot of objections.  They were all branded as 'regressive' people.  What are they trying to teach the young students by installing condom vending machine?  Our ancestors have taught as moral values and how to respect the womanhood.   Are we moving from 'moral values' to 'safe sex'?  The progressive forces can defend all such developments.  When we allow our children to have 'safe sex', naturally it leads to 'living together', sexual abuse, mental trauma when the girl is abandoned.  According to a senior Police Officer whom I interacted, nearly 70% of the rape cases filed by the women are called 'technical'.  That means, the girl files a rape case against the boy, when the promise is not fulfilled  after the mutual consented sex.  The remaining 30% are violent sexual abuse.  

5.  No doubt, present day women are required to work in offices during odd hours.  There may be good and bad people in the society.  In India, every family member is more concerned with the safety of the woman in their home.  When the ladies are working in the odd hours, the employers have to take care of the safety of these women by picking up and dropping them back at their places.  At the same time, the ladies also should take enough pro-active care when they are forced to undertake journey during odd hours.   It is sad, when some of the elderly political leaders point out this pro-active measures, it is being objected by the so called 'progressive forces'.  The activists should realise when a lady is put to torture, it causes trauma to the entire family.  It is not an offense to be 'pro-active' and follow safety measures, to avoid any unfortunate incident.  Are we not keeping our house locked during night time to save from robbers?  

6.  The present day students and youth are exposed heavily to the bad side of the life and system through media, television, cinema and internet round the clock.  In addition, the 'parenting' quality also has come down heavily.  What was once the 'moral values' is being mocked at or brushed aside as retrograde measures.  This is causing the degradation of the society and the tacit approval for all immoral activities.

Need to reinvent the wheel

Now that the Government has appointed Justice Verma Commission to recommend measures, the activists and the students should submit their views to the Commission for improvement of the legal system.  Even if there is a drastic change in the legal system, nothing will improve until the society changes its attitude.  

In the name of globalisation, we have adopted all the bad and discarded practises of western countries.  They have been adopting the best practises of India.  Now US and UK have started realising the great values of India and started using our methods.  I remember once UK Prime Minister and Opposition leader have jointly talked about the family system of India in their Parliament, as a cure for their problems.  

India's strength is the 'family system'.  Whether north, south, east or west, we have rich culture and tradition.  In the name of modernity, let us not belittle our values to get trapped into gutter.  A time has come that we need to introspect ourselves and reinvent the wheel.

Srinivasan

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hi all

What was once a 'shame' is now a 'pride'

What was once considered as a 'shame' in the minds of the society two decades back, has now become the 'pride'.  After the unfortunate Delhi gang-rape incident,  the chest beating college students, youngsters and activists have created an impression with the help of media, as if India is engaged only in gang-rape and the women are unsafe in this country.  Some of the anti-social elements and political forces have also joined the protest causing violence.  We offer our prayers for the speedy recovery of the Delhi girl and other victims who are not reported in the media. 

It has also become the fashion nowadays to join their chorus.  Even the sane voices like how women should be careful, are being drubbed as 'regressive' suggestions.  They are being condemned and ridiculed. 

When the Delhi youth and activists are blaming the Government for this incident, they have forgotten that the society has got a greater role in reducing such heinous crimes.

NCRB data on crime against women in India (11 categories)

National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) of Government of India has published that in 2011, 2,28,650 cases have been registered in all Police Stations as crime against women.  This includes 11 categories of crime against women  under IPC like rape, kidnapping, dowry deaths, cruelty by husband, molestaton, sexual harassment, immoral traffic, etc.  That means 18.9 cases for every one lakh population.   In 2007, 1,85,312 were registered (rate 16.3).  There is an increase of nearly 24% registered crime over the past 4 years.  

Andhra Pradesh (33.4 cases for every one lakh population), Kerala (33.3), Tirupura (37.0), West Bengal (31.9) have shown  higher incidences of crime against women.  Please remember these are all registered cases.  There may be lot of cases who were not registered with Police.  

Rape cases registered in India in 2011 (IPC 376)

Out of the 11 categories of crime against women, IPC 376 deals with rape.  Under this section, 24,206 cases have been registered with Police stations in India in 2011.  This is 2.0 cases for every one lakh population).  During 2007, 20,737 cases were registered (rate 1.8).  There is an increase of 17% over  the cases registered under 'rape'.  Please remember that these are all registered cases and there may be lot of cases not registered with the Police.

UN Report on rape cases registered with other countries

As per the UN report, USA (27.3 incidences of reported rape cases for every 1 lakh population), Ireland (10.7), Norway (19.2), Sweden (63.5), UK (28.8), German (9.4), South AFrica (120) are having more registered cases than India.  As said earlier, in India, many cases might not have been registered for different reasons.  

Is not the society responsible?

It is sad that the activists and emotionally charged youth are trying to blame the Government and the Police for such phenomenon.  As I said earlier, there are many women victims who suffer in silence without going to the authorities.  Severe punishment in law book cannot alone resolve this issue.  These do not include harassment to women through cyber space.  I am writing separately about how educated youth harass the women through technology.  

While I agree that Government and Police have greater role to play, I feel they cannot reduce the crime  without the involvement of the society.  

As Thiruvalluvar puts it, every disease has its root cause.  We need to identity the root cause and try to remove the causes.  The activists and the media are addressing the peripheral issues. I am sharing some of the causes for this phenomenon, as perceived by me.  I do not mind being branded as  'regressive' or orthodox for being frank.

Reasons for this phenomenon

1.  In the past two decades, the moral values are coming down in the society.  Even schools have stopped teaching moral instruction classes.  Now we are being taught how to be highly competitive.  Our children are being taught how to be materialistic, than how to be 'humanistic'.

2. A study reveals that more than 75% of such crimes against women  are committed by the people who are closely known to the women.  Because of this, many cases do not get reported for fear of their family name being spoiled.  The chest beating activists and students should first take a pledge to create awareness among their locality and family not to harass women either in the family or public places.  They should create awareness not to tease a girl for not providing dowry.  They should also take oath not to indulge in eve teasing of girls in the public places.  If this happens, nearly three-fourth of the crimes will be reduced in a single stroke. 

3.  When the Delhi girl was lying naked on the road after violent attacks, 50 Delhi people were reported to be standing around her.  None of them called up the Police for any medical help.  None of them draped her with a cloth.  Where their human values had gone?  Even animals will care for another animal of their clan.  These activists and screaming media anchors should first create awareness among the fellow citizens to be 'human', whenever the other person is in distress.  Police alone cannot prevent such crimes.  Society has to play its role first.  If by chance, this 50 people were illiterate and uneducated rural persons, they would have taken care immediately.  It is a shame for the nation, more than the shame of the girl being gang-raped.  

4.  Another disturbing matter is that the most 'progressive'    JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University)  in Delhi has got a condom vending machine inside their campus, to help the students.  In 2008, when they set up this machine, there were lot of objections.  They were all branded as 'regressive' people.  What are they trying to teach the young students by installing condom vending machine?  Our ancestors have taught as moral values and how to respect the womanhood.   Are we moving from 'moral values' to 'safe sex'?  The progressive forces can defend all such developments.  When we allow our children to have 'safe sex', naturally it leads to 'living together', sexual abuse, mental trauma when the girl is abandoned.  According to a senior Police Officer whom I interacted, nearly 70% of the rape cases filed by the women are called 'technical'.  That means, the girl files a rape case against the boy, when the promise is not fulfilled  after the mutual consented sex.  The remaining 30% are violent sexual abuse.  

5.  No doubt, present day women are required to work in offices during odd hours.  There may be good and bad people in the society.  In India, every family member is more concerned with the safety of the woman in their home.  When the ladies are working in the odd hours, the employers have to take care of the safety of these women by picking up and dropping them back at their places.  At the same time, the ladies also should take enough pro-active care when they are forced to undertake journey during odd hours.   It is sad, when some of the elderly political leaders point out this pro-active measures, it is being objected by the so called 'progressive forces'.  The activists should realise when a lady is put to torture, it causes trauma to the entire family.  It is not an offense to be 'pro-active' and follow safety measures, to avoid any unfortunate incident.  Are we not keeping our house locked during night time to save from robbers?  

6.  The present day students and youth are exposed heavily to the bad side of the life and system through media, television, cinema and internet round the clock.  In addition, the 'parenting' quality also has come down heavily.  What was once the 'moral values' is being mocked at or brushed aside as retrograde measures.  This is causing the degradation of the society and the tacit approval for all immoral activities.

Need to reinvent the wheel

Now that the Government has appointed Justice Verma Commission to recommend measures, the activists and the students should submit their views to the Commission for improvement of the legal system.  Even if there is a drastic change in the legal system, nothing will improve until the society changes its attitude.  

In the name of globalisation, we have adopted all the bad and discarded practises of western countries.  They have been adopting the best practises of India.  Now US and UK have started realising the great values of India and started using our methods.  I remember once UK Prime Minister and Opposition leader have jointly talked about the family system of India in their Parliament, as a cure for their problems.  

India's strength is the 'family system'.  Whether north, south, east or west, we have rich culture and tradition.  In the name of modernity, let us not belittle our values to get trapped into gutter.  A time has come that we need to introspect ourselves and reinvent the wheel.

Srinivasan

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